question about lugs

[camry3sfe]

my lugnuts on the new wheels, i just noticed when I have them tightened down, there is still a lot of the nut (about a little less than half) unthreaded on the screw part. will this be an issue? The wheels tighten down, but i dont like the fact that the nuts dont thread all the way down. I would have a picture but its dark out. I think the solution to this problem would be to get longer screw part of it.... its only on one wheel where i notice this, all the others are flush.

[SkipCarson]

To be safe you should have one full thread showing past the lug nut. Many of us have seen wheels come off so be carefull.

[gtfour77]

Andrew, check your wheel studs really carefully....sounds a little funky with only one wheel being off like that...double check everything. If I am not mistaken, you're supposed to be threaded down to the thickness of the stud. I think yours are the same as mine, 12mm with 1.5 pitch...you should be able to thread the nut down about 3/8" or and it should be safe (I think that translates to about 5 or 6 revolutions of the lug nut...) Compare the questionable studs to your other ones that thread in normally...are they that much shorter?

[camry3sfe]

http://photos-608.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v72/101/56/25821993/n25821993_33617608_8703.jpg

okay, i know my red note on the jpg is not going to be readable, but... here is what it says, "Here is where I can still see three to two threads left on the lugnut on my rear passenger side wheel. I looked at the driver side rear, and I did notice like one thread short of being flush, but it is not quite like this wheel. I looked carefully at all my studs on the rear passenger side closely today in the sunlight, and I do not see anything amiss. I'm thinking perhaps to be on the safe side, I should get some longer studs?"

at any rate, i am perplexed as to why this wheel won't go on like I want it to.

[gtfour77]

Did yo double check that the wheels don't have some old centering rings on them preventing the wheels from seating properly? Just a thought as I have seen that problem before...

[Nathan]

There is something off here. I remember test fitting those wheels on your car and they worked fine. I have all 4 of the old spacers setting right infront of me, so that's not the issue.

[camry3sfe]

There is something off here. I remember test fitting those wheels on your car and they worked fine. I have all 4 of the old spacers setting right infront of me, so that's not the issue.

yeah, I know. they looked fine when we tried them on for a fit at your place nathan. I am actually sort of frustrated at this point. I am wondering if it possibly has anything to do with accumulating rust on the break drums? But again, I don't know how I could accumulate *that* much rust between now, and the time we tried them on for a fit.

I know it will be a big pain in the rear-end to do this, but I'm going to probably end up replacing all ten studs on my rear-end. >:(

[camry3sfe]

hey, marteen. you're right, our studs are the same, the camry studs are M12-1.5. I am thinking of going to advanced auto today (thursday) and getting 10, M12-1.5 studs that are longer to replace the OE studs in the rear. I'd rather be safe than sorry. Do you think this idea will work? I'm not worried if the new studs would stick out a little from the wheel, I just want to be confident that my wheels are... you know, attached :)

[gtfour77]

Well, did you check to see if the studs are the same lenght on the rest of the hubs? If they are and this one wheel os that much off then you have another problem...maybe try one of the other wheels on this "faulty" hub and see what happens. Getting new and longer studs is always a good idea..;)

[Kijjy]

I just want to be confident that my wheels are... you know, attached :)

I heard this loud screeching outside my apartments yesterday...and heard what I thought was an accident (a car hitting something)...

So I got my phone and went running...the guy's wheel had come off the car, and then the car hit the ground and skidded...did ALOT of damage...

SO get that wheel fixed!! It wasn't a pretty site!

[camry3sfe]

hey, I have found what it wrong here I think. I think my rear drum brakes are warped. I think the passenger side (the side that threads the least) is probably a bit more warped than the other, but I think that they are both because:

when I have the rear end up in the air, and have the e-brake off, I can spin the wheels freely around their revolution for the most part, but at one point the brake definitely rubs, causing at one point for the wheel to not be able to spin freely.

My dad also thinks it is possible the axles might need to be replaced. But I am hoping just the drums would do it. What do you guys think?

[gtfour77]

We'll take a look at it when you come down on Friday/ Saturday... I doubt the drums or axles would cause the problem...;)

[camry3sfe]

so you think it will be alright to drive it over to parkersburg for the event when the lugs aren't going all the way in? I'm going to be coming in from washington DC area. Not driving on the falkens of course, im putting the steels back on for the trip, but it would suck to drive all that way and then not run cause the car's not good to go :-|

[gtfour77]

Well Andrew I am not going to tell you yes or no without seeing the car in person...as long as the lug nuts torque down and you don't see any other fitment issues then it might be ok to drive it...you want to make sure the lug nuts thread down at least 4 or 5 revolutions though... Let us know what you decide...
It just sounds really strange that the rest of the wheels are fitting properly and this one is not...something doesn't sound right....
Is the brake drum seating properly?

[camry3sfe]

well, I'm not sure yet, but I'll know later. I'm sure the drums are seated correctly. I just think they are warped. They can warp I have been told, and being that they don't spin all the way around freely, makes me think they're warped. it true that the drum brakes might not be causing this problem with wheel fitment, but the brakes are definitely not right if they are catching at any point in the revolution.

I am sure that I twist the bolts at least four times when I put them on, if not five or six times... I guess I can just run on saturday, and check the bolts after every run. They do get tight... really tight, I drove on the wheels how they have been on the DC beltway, so I think that they aren't about to fall off or anything ;) But yeah, what ever I do, replace/not replace the drums, I'll still like a look at it from someone who's got a bit more experience with this stuff than me :) Thanks Marteen

[lilred]

Just my .02, is it slightly possible you have stripped either the lug nut or stud? I know with the new lug nuts that came with my new wheels, two atleast stripped/went on crooked. One is still on the car and i has been fine for many months now.

[ShortysTRM]

I can't believe you ever even noticed this problem. If it doesn't vibrate when you drive it, it should be absolutely fine. If the wheel is not aligned on the hub, it's probably going to shake and shimmy when you drive it.

Your first post said that the nut goes barely half-way on, but that picture makes it look like there's barely any difference. Personally, I've never paid much attention at all to how many threads are left bare inside my lug nuts, but I'm definitely not one to use as an example. I don't think my lug nuts were ever completely threaded, even from the factory.

Like I said, I'm not the one to set any standards for car care or anything, but unless you notice something abnormal while driving on them, I wouldn't worry too much. I could definitely be wrong, though.

[camry3sfe]

well, ten studs later.... I'm thinking it will be okay. I got a different type of lug to put on the wheels as well. So, long story short, I own all the toyota studs in annapolis MD right now... and because they only had 5 in town, I had to re-use some old studs. I want to get some longer ones from summit racing sometime, but I think the new studs will work okay. From my understanding, as long as I can tighten the lugs down to factory specs, I will be a-o-K :) So, I was going to just ask will anyone at parkersburg have a torque wrench w/ them that I can double check my lugs with at the airport?

[gtfour77]

You're welcome to use mine anytime. Looks like you went out of your way to make sure you're safe for this trip...good for you! ;)
Yes, Summit Racing sells some good ARP studs...I'll be replacing all of mine with these in near future...