Protest at the capitol...

[gtfour77]

Here is what happened last week here at the Capitol....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jqENyow0cQ

[Nathan]

What was going on? I'm glad to see someone protesting, people need to stand up for what they believe.

[administerturbo]

those "people standing up for what they believe" created an illegal obstruction of the government process that was not only wasteful of the taxpayers money, but also entirely mis-directed. the issue is tied up on a local level. DEP is trying to help the situation ironically. these fools should truly do a little research before they disturb and essentially shut down a place of business for an entire day.

the majority of the protestors do not even hold residence here, they merely belong to a professional protest group that follows issues. yes, even protesting is a business.

people can't even stand up to "the man" properly anymore.

http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2007031633?pt=0

[Nathan]

those "people standing up for what they believe" created an illegal obstruction of the government process that was not only wasteful of the taxpayers money, but also entirely mis-directed. the issue is tied up on a local level. DEP is trying to help the situation ironically. these fools should truly do a little research before they disturb and essentially shut down a place of business for an entire day.

the majority of the protestors do not even hold residence here, they merely belong to a professional protest group that follows issues. yes, even protesting is a business.

people can't even stand up to "the man" properly anymore.

http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2007031633?pt=0
Honestly, I wouldn't care if they were protesting people's rights to kill their own children. I'm just glad their doing something. I can't believe protesting is a business. Better to see them screwing it up than stilling around their living rooms complaining to one another about it. What was it that they did that was so wrong? I don't really like how they aren't aloud to return to the Capitol to protest as part of their bond.

[MountaineerSTi]

This is why I dont talk about religion or politics with those I consider friends (or on internet forums...)

As a matter of fact, I'm cyber-protesting this thread. And I'm calling all my Nasioc friends (who dont have a vested interest in it) to come and cyber-protest against Sean (who didnt do anything wrong, but since he updates the website....)

...you'll have to pry this keyboard from my cold, dead hands!!!

(Disclaimer: any similarities between the above paragraph and actual events are entirely intentional. If you have a complaint, be sure to to protest in the Governor's reception area to complain about me.)

[administerturbo]

but you can be active and actually be effective. their protest was a complete negative waste, i wish it were JUST a shame. it did more harm than good and wasted more than was gained. they could have researched truth and targeted a source that could effect the issue. but they didn't, they just wanted to be radical and irresponsible.

i just can't reason that wasting tax payer's money was a better use of time than doing nothing. i'm certainly not glad about it.

the state police could have been elsewhere not being paid overtime.

the office could have been accessible to business men who are trying to bring jobs to the state. instead they had to be turned away because of lack of access and a hostile environment.

and the judicial system downtown could have been spending time on their current backlogged case load, instead of processing these fools.

[RobbieNelson]

So, I hear the McClaren's didn't blow up over the weekend.

[crickets]

JPM finished in the top 5 of the Nextel NAsCAR race

[silence]

I plan to tune in a pound or two more boost in the next few weeks. That plus a little 100 octane should be fun. :-)

[wvphoto]

a lot of them were from out of state.. one from san francisco.. a professional protester..

Geez

i say massey pull out of their county.. no jobs.. no tax base.. no worries..


protesters should be asked to leave.. give them one minute to leave..
then..
get the tazers out..

save the troopers backs..

once asked to leave.. they were trespassing.

[Nathan]

but you can be active and actually be effective. their protest was a complete negative waste, i wish it were JUST a shame. it did more harm than good and wasted more than was gained. they could have researched truth and targeted a source that could effect the issue. but they didn't, they just wanted to be radical and irresponsible.

i just can't reason that wasting tax payer's money was a better use of time than doing nothing. i'm certainly not glad about it.

the state police could have been elsewhere not being paid overtime.

the office could have been accessible to business men who are trying to bring jobs to the state. instead they had to be turned away because of lack of access and a hostile environment.

and the judicial system downtown could have been spending time on their current backlogged case load, instead of processing these fools.
I see your point, and it is a good one. If they really didn't have the info they needed, they shouldn't have been out there. That's not protesting in my book, that's just a pry for attention. That is a real shame. I don't know the issue very well at all. I read the new clip, but that's not much. As far as not talking politics or religion with friends, well, how else are you supposed to know if they're the kind of people you want as friends?

[MountaineerSTi]

As far as not talking politics or religion with friends, well, how else are you supposed to know if they're the kind of people you want as friends?

I watch them. Actions are far louder than words.

[SentraWV]

protesters should be asked to leave.. give them one minute to leave..
then..
get the tazers out..


So much for a right to petition the government for redress of grievances. :rolleyes:

A dumb protest may be ineffective, but if we criminalized every dumb idea people had, the prisons would be even more jam packed then they are now.

[ShortysTRM]

Yeah, normally I'd chime in now with some of my own personal insight, but I think Caleb is right...I'm just going to stay out of it. I don't think either side of the argument has found a reasonable way to deal with this situation, and bringing in protestors from outside of the community/area/state affected is just stupid. We (WSAZ) have covered this story for quite some time now, and something should definitely be done about it, but if these protestors weren't even the people involved, and the people to whom they were protesting could do nothing to resolve the issue, then I agree, all parties' time was wasted.

[camry3sfe]

protesting in a legal manner vs an illegal manner is important. these people were obviously conducting this protest illegally. and stupidly i might add.

in general however... i think that protesting in general can become very stupid very quickly. Take for example the protesters of the war in DC this past weekend and the protestors of the protestors... the both show the ignorance of both sides in a verbally abusive manner. One side tells the other they are going to hell, and the other side replies with the same idea of the others eventual damnation for their views...

end point: anti-war protesters are VERY ignorant. pro-war people can be just as ignorant. ergo protestors highlight ignorance these days.

I'm not bashing protesting. in the past protesting things publicly and peacefully has been good. for example the push for civil rights lead by MLK jr. That problem had a clear solution of course.... protesting issues like war and abortion is another story... because the correct course of action is not inheritly seen. it is all relative. so I guess I'm just bashing modern day, politically motivated protestors who are loud, yet lack substance.

[Brucey]

Did anyone else start laughing when the guy started shouting about

"The police are supporting the corporations!"

[administerturbo]

So, I hear the McClaren's didn't blow up over the weekend.

[crickets]

JPM finished in the top 5 of the Nextel NAsCAR race

[silence]

I plan to tune in a pound or two more boost in the next few weeks. That plus a little 100 octane should be fun. :-)

robbie. do you have a specific program for 100 oct? if not, look into it...transforms the car!! i rarely get to use mine :(

[RobbieNelson]

robbie. do you have a specific program for 100 oct? if not, look into it...transforms the car!! i rarely get to use mine :(

www.openecu.com <-- for reflashing my stock ECU
www.epifansoft.com <-- for high speed datalogging(not OBDII)

After paying for a few "tunes", I've decided to give it a shot myself. I have an Innovate LC1 wideband O2 sensor for logging air fuel ratio. I also keep my nose in the Evo ECU tuning community.

The ultra low-cost flashing software just came onto the sceen within the last few months. The flashing software(ECUFlash) is free, you just need to purchase a cable for about $80. It's VERY cool to a big geek like me. It gives you access to all the fueling maps, timing maps, rev limiters, injector scaling, injector latentcy, fuel cut, boost control parameters, etc.. There are a few guys hacking away at the assembly language code that's on the ECUs ROM. They are currently working on live tuning via RAM and no-reflash map switching.

I <3 my Evo!

[gtfour77]

Robbie, I am assuming you left a comment on my youtube video? Of so, thanks! Once Davis showes up I think we'll have a really good competition...
Glad to hear the evos are getting some attention with ecu tuning...I bet it will be a bit cheaper that purchasing a whole standalone system. That worked for the celica as toyota ecu's don't really allow you to reflash anything...it requires a whole new chip or a standalone. I would highly recommend the standalones as you have complete and absolute control over the engine...but I think since the evo gurus are working on the fuel and ign. map programming that might open up a whole new door to evo tuning...keep us updated if you don't mind...

Any closer 100 octane stations around here yet? Nate, do you still go up 60 to get yours?

[RobbieNelson]

Nate, do you still go up 60 to get yours?

That's where I got mine. I don't know of any others.

Mods, feel free to split this off into a seperate topic.

[gtfour77]

Cont'd in Pits under "ECU Tuning"...

[administerturbo]

www.openecu.com <-- for reflashing my stock ECU
www.epifansoft.com <-- for high speed datalogging(not OBDII)

After paying for a few "tunes", I've decided to give it a shot myself. I have an Innovate LC1 wideband O2 sensor for logging air fuel ratio. I also keep my nose in the Evo ECU tuning community.

The ultra low-cost flashing software just came onto the sceen within the last few months. The flashing software(ECUFlash) is free, you just need to purchase a cable for about $80. It's VERY cool to a big geek like me. It gives you access to all the fueling maps, timing maps, rev limiters, injector scaling, injector latentcy, fuel cut, boost control parameters, etc.. There are a few guys hacking away at the assembly language code that's on the ECUs ROM. They are currently working on live tuning via RAM and no-reflash map switching.

I <3 my Evo!

very cool stuff. especially the live tuning. in my state of mod, the ecu can still adapt to take advantage of improvements in flow etc. any safety parameters built into this ECUFlash software? actually my apr chip has an interface to adjust Boost, Timing, Lamda Regulation, Main Fuel Scale, Fuel Load Increase/Decrease on a pretty basic level though...

martin, i can't find any other 100 oct stops any closer. i also suspect that it's not of real high quality after sitting for a while. i'll stay away from it until mid summer.

[wvphoto]

So much for a right to petition the government for redress of grievances. :rolleyes:

A dumb protest may be ineffective, but if we criminalized every dumb idea people had, the prisons would be even more jam packed then they are now.


well.. i think you can protest outside with your signs all you want..

when they come in the gov's office.. and they put up with them for a while.. hear their side.. and say.. ok.. lets move on.. and they won't move..
wow man.. just like the sixties..

gotta draw the line somewhere..

[SentraWV]

gotta draw the line somewhere..
I agree. And, from the video at least, it looks like the cops acted very professionally and with a degree of restraint in removing these folks (was that one old lady in a wheel chair or did they just drag her out with the desk chair?).

My objection was to the "protest and get tasered" arguments. Tasers can be deadly weapons if used improperly and even short of lethal force can inflict a good deal of needless pain. Causing protestors, even annoying ones, pain shouldn't be an option, at least where there's no threat of danger/violence in the situation.

Maybe next month the anti-run group crowd will stage a sit in in the timing trailer? :D

[gtfour77]

Maybe next month the anti-run group crowd will stage a sit in in the timing trailer? :D

:D good one Jon!!

[wvphoto]

and.. i was just kidding about the taser..

but..
might work.. we will try it at the timing trailer protest.. who's first ?????

[ShortysTRM]

Nice. The thread started with people arguing, then went into a discussion about tuning for 100 octane fuel, then we moved to bashing club members. Keep up the good work.

BTW, after watching the video and reading the comments left on Youtube about it, I agree that these people are completely out of line, not to mention acting completely retarded.

[SentraWV]

then we moved to bashing club members.

:confused:

I didn't see any bashing. Some difference of opinion, but no bashing.

[SeanB]

If you think this is bashing maybe we should all sit around knitting and drinking tea?

[gtfour77]

:confused:

I didn't see any bashing. Some difference of opinion, but no bashing.

Troy, bashing people oposing run groups? You lost me on that one... Either way, no bashing here anywhere... not even close... just a civilized discussion...;)

[ShortysTRM]

You guys are right. Making jokes about peoples' opinions, completely uninstigated, then saying that we'll taze them is definitely not bashing them. I couldn't care less what you say about them, since I've told you guys before that as long as they equate to more runs per diem, I'm all for it. However, when the Board spoke from the heavens and declared that our events shall be arranged this way, I was the first person to ask why other members didn't have any say in this decision. I was also the only one who really tried to work with everyone to figure out a solution and offer some consolation to those who didn't initially agree with run groups. I do, though, feel like I'm the "protestor," since only a handful of people ever said anything about disliking run groups. I would like to consider myself above these people, and I would like to assume that if the issue was really that serious, that the club would address it in a civilized fashion, and I don't mean non-violent protests.

The funny thing is that when I talk to Jason about any of my concerns, I don't hear any argument, I don't get any smart@55 comments, and I walk away feeling confident in his decision. On here, I always regret ever bringing up my concerns because it just becomes a roast. I know that in five minutes, I'll regret having ever said anything in response to you. Just don't taze me for it.

I know it's all a joke, so maybe I took it too seriously. Whatever.

[Nathan]

Maybe we should all sit around knitting and drinking tea?
You give me some yarn, some needles, a good cup of hot cinnamon tea, and an Irish Folk music cd and I'll be happy for hours. I don't really knit, but it's only because I don't know how.

[johnnytavo]

i think we need a "if you only one run lap and miss the second taser" or a "if you try to run three taps taser" haha

[wvphoto]

heyyyyy his name is manchin..
lets taze him..LOL

[gtfour77]

I know it's all a joke, so maybe I took it too seriously.

You couldn't have hit the nail any better Troy... Amen to that statement...
Mike Hall was merely joking and it should be taken that way.
Bottom line, if you're not sure what is or isn't a joke, maybe take it with a grain of salt at first... Remember, no roasting here, just putting things into right perspective...;)