Elkins Results & Post Mortem

[SentraWV]

Sorry, don't have 'em, as I'm still in Big Sky country! I thought the least I could do was start the thread. Weather looked good, hope everybody had a great time.

Elkins Saturday Class (http://www.swvrscca.org/2009Results/Elkins2009Saturday_fin.htm)
Elkins Saturday PAX (http://www.swvrscca.org/2009Results/Elkins2009Saturday_pax.htm)
Elkins Saturday RAW (http://www.swvrscca.org/2009Results/Elkins2009Saturday_raw.htm)

Elkins Sunday Class (http://www.swvrscca.org/2009Results/Elkins2009Sunday_fin.htm)
Elkins Sunday PAX (http://www.swvrscca.org/2009Results/Elkins2009Sunday_pax.htm)
Elkins Sunday RAW (http://www.swvrscca.org/2009Results/Elkins2009Sunday_raw.htm)

[gtfour77]

You big tease!!! :spam: Someone please update us non-attenders...

[wvphoto]

post up those Dam% results.. what is your problem man !!

LOL

it is my daughters birthday weekend.. sweet 16 . so i had to miss elkins.. and i have a free place to stay up there.. dang..

hope you all have a safe weekend and a safe trip home

[BacDoc]

I'll give a review of Saturday's results...Z06's and Z51 battled it out with several cars on their heels, and they all got spanked by a go kart. And lots of fun.

The yellow Z06 I believe posted the best time for a vehicle with doors.

[gtfour77]

That must be Jerry....GOOOOOOO Jerry!!! :f1:

[johnnytavo]

That must be Jerry....GOOOOOOO Jerry!!! :f1:

If Jerry was driving the Yellow Z06 on Saturday, I think he was the fastest CAR in the morning. I hung out for the morning runs Saturday and had a great time riding along, especially in Brad's Trans Am.

[BacDoc]

That T/A makes my pants tight.

[SeanB]

Results are on the laptop, which I don't have.

[Jason V]

I have the laptop... Got back late last night.. I will fire it up today after work and see if I can figure out how to output the results to file...

A BIG thanks to everyone who made the event a sucess!! A big thanks to Jack for a great course design and to those who came early and stayed late to setup/clean up!! I had a BLAST and I am looking forward to Parkersburg....... PS I belive we are still looking for a trailer puller for Parkersburg so if you can help out please let me know.

[BacDoc]

I noticed that Caprice had a trailer hitch...

[SeanB]

Resulted posted on first post

[gtfour77]

Wow!!! Jerry seemed to have really raised the bar at this event. Great job! And great job to many other others like John taylor, Chuck etc..!!!

[BlueZ0644]

First and foremost - a huge thanks to the Pilot Club at the Elkins Airport. The hospitality afforded us far exceeded my expectation and they went out of their way at all times to make our event a success. The weather even cooperated - with rain at night and damp mornings, but quickly drying. It was cool, but dry and windy. I couldn't ask for more. Course design was the result of great input from Sean Halloran and Bill Gammon. The fact that we could run it in either direction, with only minor tweaks, saved a lot of time on Sunday; and I think it reduced confusion with tire marks from the Saturday event. The course was pretty fast in a lot of sections, which allowed us to complete almost a mile of course in in just a tad over a minute. The biggest dissapointment on my part was the lack of participation by our membership. We had about 30 cars on each day. With all the negative talk about small lots and such; when the opportunity for a huge expanse of tarmac for two days shoud have been irresistable. Thanks to all those who assisted in course set up and helped keep the event running smoothly. there are too many to mention and this is already too long. If you didn't attend - you missed two very good events. Jerry - you were just phenominal. I didn't do justice to the car available to me, so Chuck bested me also - - and those guys took pleasure in beating up on the old guy. As it should be.

[Hraefn]

Thanks for the quick post on results.

Great event! Looking forward to the next time I get to run with you all.

[BacDoc]

I made the list!!!

I was out to have fun and hit a few cones. Mission Accomplished. Good times. I made the trip to this event for one reason really and that was because of the expanded track and it did not disappoint. After a few clock tweaks the event ran smoother than expected and was a blast to drive. Events like this will make people like me a regular. :) Thanks to everyone who dedicated time and efforts to make this happen. I wish I was in town for Pburg or I would be there without a doubt.

[crobin4]

Just a quick post to fix a problem in the results. Second place in CSP on Sat. goes to Scott Byrne. I coned that fastest run. Please make the necessary corrections. :biggrin:
I'll express myself and give thanks later. It seems I've walked back into work this morning to face a 12hr. day. I'm abit busy at the moment.:frown:

[TimMaddox]

http://www.wowktv.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=60098

[BacDoc]

Field Modified class?

[crobin4]

Ok, got a couple of minutes.
THANK YOU: Scott for the co-drive and sharing a room. Jason fo the co-drive.
Both vehicles were great fun.
Jack for the Hard Work and Great Course.
And all others whom made it happen!! In the words of Jack Sampson; You know who you are!
Thank You Elkins Airport and Pilots Club for all their support!!!:luke:

[The Announcer]

Thank you to everyone that made this happen. By far this was the best event for a long time. For those of you that didn't get to come out and play you should really try to make it the next time! :f1:
As always, thank you for letting me be a part even though I don't race, just boss you around (in a nice way).:redface:

[sts 50]

A great 2 days (and one evening)! Thanks to all who made it so, especially those who arrived early and/or stayed late to set up and take down.

[JazzGTI]

I would have loved to been there. But my wife Doris had shoulder surgery on Wednesday. She needed me at home so I had to had to miss a good event. Hopefully Parkersburg will be as good and I should be able to make that one.

[SentraWV]

Looks like lots of fun. I'm really itching to get back at it at P-Burg. Especially since Kevin got himself a MS3, too. Competition!
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[RobbieNelson]

Sorry I missed it. I'm STILL in northern Indiana.

[gtfour77]

Looks like there are a few of us that could have made the attendance numbers a lot higher... next time! Let "get back at it" in Parkersburg ya'll!!! :partay:

[Jason V]

Plus on June 9th we should get final approval for our September dates at Elkins... !!!

[The Announcer]

I have lots of photos from Saturday thanks to Brenda. Jason, dude, you really need to get her one of these cameras!

[BacDoc]

Post those pics. I wanted to take some but apparently working and shooting make for potential disaster :).

[The Announcer]

Picts posted in new thread. Enjoy!

[Potent357]

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

My first autox in about a year and a half was bittersweet.

The location, the course, the driving, the comraderie, the fun were all excellent.

The delays, the timer failures, the late start time, the low attendance, the assholes all made it a difficult day to endure.

Having 29 cars, running two run groups and not getting a "break" until after 3pm was simply inexcusable. The timer failures in conjunction with an exhaustive driver's meeting and other delays meant that the event didn't "start" until around 1pm.

A major problem was that the Airport Pilot people had a lunch waiting on everyone but we didn't come until 2-3 hours later. How much more money could we have made them throughout the day if there were constantly people available to go buy from them. As it was, everyone was on-course all day (working or driving)

We are (well someone is) forgetting that "racers" are PAYING CUSTOMERS of a service this region is providing. When we deliver a 3 hour wait after registration closes, fewer runs than mentioned before the event and a day interspersed with timer malfunctions, it's no damn wonder that nobody is showing up.

The timer not being able to handle multiple cars on track is inexcusable. I remember there being talk of a T&S committee being formed to test and maintain the equipment on off weekends so there wouldn't be delays. Additionally, if we only have one or two people that know how it works, then that needs to be remedied. Train new people and, if necessary, pay them to make sure they are at events (payment in the form of free registration if need be).

National/Regional events sometimes run redundant timer setups so they cannot "go down". I know that maybe that is not feasible for us, but it would seem that these problems could be avoided. I've been around from back when we had a JACircuit timer held together with tape and solder. It rarely failed.

Other regions have T&S crews that are held accountable for any delays at an event. The T&S crews are responsible for assigning T&S event workers and providing that list of workers to event organizers before the event starts. We can't go on wondering if so and so is going to show up because they are the only one that can diagnose the stuff.

Another issue is Run Groups. It works when there are sufficent cars for 3 groups but it's not viable for 2 groups. I won't run again if there are only going to be two groups and I would invite others to join my meager protest.

Run Groups make large groups of people and cars easier to control. Conversely, it's absurd to have that level of administration for less than 30 cars. At that point, we don't need a grid chief and an additional 15 minute grid meeting to instruct us how to park our fewer than 15 cars in a grid area the size of a football field. Our Grid Chief was simply doing his job, but it wasn't needed.

With the pitiful group we had, a simple instruction to run Stock classes through prepared/modified, run after the car you did prior and to work when you could, would have been more than sufficient and with that group of mostly "good" people I believe it would have worked harmoniously.

If we, as a group, can't get 29 drivers though a day's event without delays then God help us if we actually had 75-100 cars show up.

Whether it's the economy or if (as many believe) there is just a general disdain for this region right now, the reality is that even with great venues, we are presently JUST A TINY REGION and we can truly only rely on about 25-30 people showing up at our events.

Those are the numbers we were getting in winter months back when I started autocrossing in the late 1980's. There's no shame in being a small region, but we need to quit acting like a platoon putting on regional events.


The great stuff included seeing Jason V's tremendous improvement and gaining mastery of that amazing kart. Miro's impressive rise in driving talent in his Acura. It was truly one of the most fun cars to watch all day.
Judd doing some really impressive stuff in his 944. His tail happy, sloppy but fast, driving reminded me of my fast days in my Rx7. I liked Chris and Scott in his 944. The car looked better than I remember.
The Vettes, including some amazingly precise driving by Jerry were the show of the day.

The great stuff included meeting a new competitor while I was working the course. This new guy was there with his father and he was having a great time. He drove the Caprice and a better example of who we need to market this autox hobby to couldn't be provided if we asked for one.

This guy is into drag racing and other forms of motorsport but he wants to learn more and have fun in his car. He comes out, spends the day and all we can give him is 6 minutes of driving for his 9 hours standing on a runway with us.

This new guy was also witness to a fellow-corner worker accosting me over his flawed opinion of the safety of the event and our region in general. Truly a low point in our region.

Catching up with all the good people who work hard and want this region to succeed made it a great day. It's just that with the delays, over (dis) organization and the underlying chaos, the region still has some work to do.

I think Jack Sampson did all he could do to make sure this was a great event. I just think the region needs to be able to call and audible and make some decisions that will assure things will work better when the cards dealt are different than what was expected.

We are competing for other forms of motorsport and other hobbies to consume the weekends of our target audience. For me, I could have gone to Summit Point or VIR and spent 4-5 hours on course driving/instructing in the same span of time that I got to spend 6 minutes autocrossing. It's a tough equation for people who might be into other motorsport events. We have to give them a stable, inviting and friendly event that will make them want to come back.

[SentraWV]

What were the timer issues? Did the course designs require a car to run through the start or finish gates multiple times? If so, did everything work once that got sorted out?

NP: Forever Einstein, Down With Gravity

[BlueZ0644]

The timer issues were a mystery to me. There was NO repetition of any portion of the course. I think there may have been an issue with the wind moving one or more of the timer heads, but that was remedied. I have to agree with Bill that the two run group setup is poor at best. I'm trying really hard to not just come out and say it sucks. Whoops. The time off between running and driving would have been beneficial to all concerned, in my opinion. I apologize for not being more forceful in 'calling an audible', as Bill so aptly called it. The problem for me was a fear of insufficient workers to cover the course. As it was, there was barely enough folks working at any given point. If it had been left to the entrants, I fear that less than 1/3 would have been manning the course.
As Bill pointed out, I tried hard to make these events special. I spent the effort tyo plan the courses to the point of having maps drawn to scale and seeking input from others to help make it flow and be a challenge to experienced and novice entrants. I had counted on a much larger turnout; which didn't materialize. Had more attended, three run groups would have been possible. The initial plan was 8 runs, but the interference of a late start (the course was set up and ready by 8:30-9:00), timer issues and other 'stuff' shortened the time available. I think I did my part to keep us on scheule.
All things considered, it was quite the crummy weekend for me. I was tired, sick and I didn't do justice to the car as a driver. I did, however, enjoy the people (most of the time). I'll not be volunteering to do the September event.

[Hraefn]

1) I do not know what the delay was for first car off, but it was certainly well before 1 pm. We broke for lunch by 1:45 if I recall correctly.
2) The driver's meeting covered everything needed and was not necessarily longer than others I have attended. I have been to very short driver's meetings before and those help no one.
3) There were eight runs. Even with the slow start. Eight runs. Most events I have attended you'll be lucky to get four.
4) Having someone gridding helps enforce run order and number of runs. At the Belle event a couple months ago, Dan and I ended up hotlapping the last two runs because people jumped line. The only break we had for those last two runs was because a couple drivers brought their cars to the line even though they were already done.
5) Please tell us what you mean by the flawed safety accusation. While I saw nothing myself, the individual may have had legitimate concerns.

[Hraefn]

For what it's worth to anyone, I am more than happy to help in whatever capacity needed. I've run timing, scoring, grid, tech, and worker assignments before. I'm a computer guy so I can pick up new software pretty fast. The main problem is you probably cannot rely on me to attend every event. I have a working agreement with my beautiful wife, who permits me to buy cool things and do fun things like autocross, but I have to pick and choose.

I don't mind working the course. I realize a lot of people would rather do anything but stand in the sun for hours, chasing cones and dodging cars. Especially in the afternoon, when the number of course workers always dwindles.

[SeanB]

The timer handled multiple cars just fine, the plexi glass stands were broken so once Jason and I put the tie straps on everything was ok.

[Potent357]

1) I do not know what the delay was for first car off, but it was certainly well before 1 pm. We broke for lunch by 1:45 if I recall correctly.
2) The driver's meeting covered everything needed and was not necessarily longer than others I have attended. I have been to very short driver's meetings before and those help no one.
3) There were eight runs. Even with the slow start. Eight runs. Most events I have attended you'll be lucky to get four.
4) Having someone gridding helps enforce run order and number of runs. At the Belle event a couple months ago, Dan and I ended up hotlapping the last two runs because people jumped line. The only break we had for those last two runs was because a couple drivers brought their cars to the line even though they were already done.
5) Please tell us what you mean by the flawed safety accusation. While I saw nothing myself, the individual may have had legitimate concerns.

1. Are you referring to Saturday or Sunday? I was only talking about Saturday. I don't see your name in the results for Saturday. I know that the lunch break was around 3pm on Saturday.

2. I've been to more than a few drivers meetings for Autocross and for Track Events. Having held a few of my own, I know what needs to be covered. The problem with this meeting was that nobody paid attention to Jack, everyone was talking amongst themselves and this caused delays. Then, we had a "grid meeting" which simply seemed absurd with the number of cars registered. Again, everyone was simply was doing their jobs, but combine the meeting with the delays and the 45 minutes to an hour it took for everyone to walk the course and then get lined up and it was an event killer.

3. We got six (6) runs on Saturday.

4. A grid is nice at 50 car events. If 15 people can't organize their 10 cars for a run group then maybe they need to get a new hobby.

5. I don't really want to validate the guy by airing the comments fully. I am sure my even mentioning it will be considered by some as an attempt to cause trouble. A corner-worker had concerns about two cars passing on the course and he took great offense to my comments about it. We were trying to keep the event going on a course approved by the SSS's and this gentleman with his exhaustive autocross wisdom thought it unsafe.

He told me that "we were the region that crashes cars all the time" and that he was "putting us on notice" that this was unsafe.

He knew me but I didn't have any idea who he was so after the conclusion of the first run group, I went to him, introduced myself and we went directly to the event organzier to discuss the situation.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but he (like many in this region do) flaunted his apparent national level expertise and really made fun of how we do things. I was pissed and didn't like being accosted in that fashion by someone I had no recollection of.

My suggestion to you people who galavant to other regions and have all this talent about courses, driving and crewing is to maybe stick to those regions.

I made my complaint about this guy's caustic and dangerous comments to the event organizer, to the Regional Executive and I let it go. It's nothing personal (at least not from me). I can respect anyone's opinion, but there are better ways to relate it.

If I had his concerns, I would have gone STRAIGHT to the organizer or a SSS. I wouldn't have confronted a mouthy corner worker while he was laying on the course during one of our 15 minutes timer breaks.

[SeanB]

Btw Bill we do stick to other regions, the ONLY reason Roy (the guy you are currently bashing) and I came was because we were asked to since the main timing person wasn't there.

And I will trust Roy's opinion on safety any day of the week over yours Bill.

[BacDoc]

I apparently missed the drama llama. I had a great time.

[johnnytavo]

Oh boy.....

[Potent357]

Btw Bill we do stick to other regions, the ONLY reason Roy (the guy you are currently bashing) and I came was because we were asked to since the main timing person wasn't there.

And I will trust Roy's opinion on safety any day of the week over yours Bill.

Quite to the contrary Sean, he was BASHING our region.

I respect that he, or anyone, has an opinion, but I quickly tire of the opinion being backed up with the statement that it's rooted from experience in "real regions" or "nationals" or "big regions". We are not as backwater, gap-toothed and ignorant as everyone would like to believe.

This region ran basically without incident for almost 40 years. I think that we, as a core group, know how to put on events.

Maybe his concern about our region (the one that crashes all the cars, his words, not mine) will keep him from coming to events anymore. We're not big city enough for some of you guys and frankly I think that's what's ruining our attendance levels and ruining our region.

I'd rather be Bugtussel local yokel autocrossers with 35-40 good attendees than a big feeling arrogant region that struggles to get any additional drivers.

And since you and he went out of your way and mingled with the yokels for this event (because your timing expertise was needed), we should reimburse your fees and make damn sure that request is never made again. Maybe someone should make that motion at the meeting on Friday.

BASHING. Indeed.

[Jason V]

There were no timing failures other than the stands not being up to par.. I knew they were on the way out and had new stands at the ready and the problem was fixed.... The event flyer stated a minimum of 5 runs.. we delivered 6 (yes we were late I will take blame for that and everyone can lash me with a wet noodle ; ). Sunday morning went much better. Bill I agree that there are times I wish for the "old system" of doing things.. I have pondered a "cutoff" point.. less than X number of drivers we do it the old school way and if over x number use groups...then I remember screaming into the mic for cars to the line all day.. begging for workers all day... that is what led to the changes in the first place and one problem we did not have over the event was people not working when they should be, so I am looking to the membership in general to guide the club in the right direction. I do want to make one thing clear.. I am proud of our region and what we do with limited resources, I have NO intention or desire to become or be like a big region. I just want to go out and have fun autocrossing.

[Potent357]

Btw Bill we do stick to other regions, the ONLY reason Roy (the guy you are currently bashing) and I came was because we were asked to since the main timing person wasn't there.

And I will trust Roy's opinion on safety any day of the week over yours Bill.

He could be Chief of Safety for National and have the RIGHT opinion, but how he presented it and the comments he made about the region were wrong, inflammatory and immature.

[Hraefn]

My apologies; we only attended Sunday.

Sunday ran fine, which probably means the issues on Saturday were mostly worked out or otherwise didn't reoccur. Crap happens.

IMHO the discussion between Bill and Roy deserves to be taken offline.

[Potent357]

Sean deleting posts again. A time honored tradition in the SWVRSCCA.


I only posted because many people inquired about what was a great event. I shared my opinions and they are worth not a scintilla more than anyone else's.

[Hraefn]

Nathan: you are new to the region. Bill likes to make mountains out of mole hills. There weren't any issues, a seasoned racer had a safety comment and a plastic timing stand broke. But to Bill that is the apocalypse, I wonder if the black helicopters are circling. Better clear some space for them to land.

I am definitely not new to organizations, autocross, or internet forums.

Obviously there were issues.

[SeanB]

Sean deleting posts again. A time honored tradition in the SWVRSCCA.


I only posted because many people inquired about what was a great event. I shared my opinions and they are worth not a scintilla more than anyone else's.

I deleted MY own posts because...

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[SentraWV]

I deleted MY own posts because...

Then don't do it in the first place. Anybody who comes in here trying to get up to speed on things ends up getting chopped up threads that don't make any sense. We're not the White House - no need to drop anything down the memory hole!

NP: Rush, Vapor Trails

[SeanB]

Shut up Jon you don't make any sense. :whip:

[HiHoSilver]

I think the event when much better than last year,, especially given the fact the Jack, Myself, Tim Maddox and Jason with our wives were the only ones who performed the pre-work Friday evening, on Saturday pretty much the same people with the help of a few others. In order to make things start on time we need more people to help out. We are trying to make it better, but we currently have a small core group, I would love for you, Sean H, Dan, Jimmy etc..... to come back out on a regular basis. Constructive Critism is ok, but constant bitching does not help.

Arguing with Sean on the forums does not help the image of the region. You two need to take if off line.

Yes, we had a few clitches and yes only having two runs groups were not the best, but it worked. I happen to like run groups. I remember comming to Riverside ( to watch Jack) before the run groups were started, people were constantly yelling for poeple to work or run, I never seen six to eight runs back then. It seemed like chaos!

Sean,
I want to thank and you Roy for cleaning out the trailer. It was way over due, so thank you.

[HiHoSilver]

Then don't do it in the first place. Anybody who comes in here trying to get up to speed on things ends up getting chopped up threads that don't make any sense. We're not the White House - no need to drop anything down the memory hole!

NP: Rush, Vapor Trails

made sense to me

[SeanB]

No thanks required, we got tired of trying to find stuff.

[2ndShot]

Sean, I first viewed this thread without being logged-in and the Special Olympics picture displayed automatically (no click required). Since you're deleting threads again, please delete this picture as well - it's extremely disrespectful.

Bill, As always, well said.

[wvphoto]

lots of drama.


just like junior high.. LOL

glad you guys had a good time.. the crap is on the internet.. always..
someone stirs the shi%

[04WRX]

It was my first auto cross and I had a blast! Even my friend(the one who took 500 pics) had a good time and he didn't even race. I'm going to try to get him to run his civic at the parkersburg event. He thinks his car is super slow but he has some suspension mods so I think he would still have fun.

[Jason V]

tell him this.... you learn alot more in a slow car, you need to keep momentum in a slow car, you unwind the wheel to let the motor pull harder out of the corners, you pick good lines and get on the gas early. In the end the best way to learn to drive a fast car fast is the learn how to make a slow car go kinda fast!

[crobin4]

tell him this.... you learn alot more in a slow car, you need to keep momentum in a slow car, you unwind the wheel to let the motor pull harder out of the corners, you pick good lines and get on the gas early. In the end the best way to learn to drive a fast car fast is the learn how to make a slow car go kinda fast!


+1:biggrin:

[SentraWV]

He thinks his car is super slow but he has some suspension mods so I think he would still have fun.

My first autox car was a POS Escort LX. I still had a blast and learned a lot (and beat some "faster" cars). He's got no excuse! :f1:

NP: Genesis, Calling All Stations

[crobin4]

Keep in mind what we are saying, is that, You will learn more and faster driving an unprepped car as opposed to a faster grippier car. Prepped cars just mask bad habits when you are starting out. :wink:

[04WRX]

I'm really going to try to talk him into running. He has coilovers and front/rear strut braces so I think he would do just fine. I know he would have fun! Also going to try to get some more people from WVMotorsports to go. A couple came and watched and said they wish they would of competed.

[TimMaddox]

Amen to that go slower to go faster philosophy. I know it, I just can't do it. Although I did make it all the way thru Kroger without hitting a "caution wet floor" cone with my shopping cart. Join GS class and learn from the master novice. Even if you are faster than me, in my mind you were slower than me, based on the above-mentioned philosophy. It really works to keep my spirits up.

And ignore all the hair pulling, eye poking, impolite bickering you read on here. It's from people who are to immature and cowardly to take it off-line and deal with face to face with the few individuals involved, therefore the rest of us have to scroll through it to get to the informative and encouraging posts - posts that we need to recruit new hopefuls like yourself. And to those who jumped into the fray and started swinging back with the justification "but I'm right", well, you may be, but the penalty flag gets thrown on the guy who pushes back too. Both sides are wrong for propogating it. I am the easiest going guy in the world and you can tell I am so sick of it I could puke through my nose. Seriously.

[2ndShot]

... I am so sick of it I could puke through my nose. Seriously.

Don't do that - "it stings the nostrils".

Tim, I was just looking over the competition in each class for the Pkb event... you'd better bring your A-game.

[TimMaddox]

Its kind of hard to bring the A game when I am a D student! I think I am going to get held back and have to repeat the GS grade next year. Based on my off course percentage last year, I thought I was going to get promoted to rally cross. Luckily the Neon is a little more reluctant to get it's shoes dirty this year. It still wants to put on that orange lipstick though...

[MasterBlaster]

I'm really going to try to talk him into running. He has coilovers and front/rear strut braces so I think he would do just fine. I know he would have fun! Also going to try to get some more people from WVMotorsports to go. A couple came and watched and said they wish they would of competed.

Tell him he should! I don't want to be the only noob there LOL.

[04WRX]

Tell him he should! I don't want to be the only noob there LOL.

Your going to parkersburg? Elkins was my first time so I'm a noob. What all do you have done to your STi? Maybe you will be in my class (ESP) b/c there is no one registered in that class yet. I'm not a 100% sure that I will be able to make it but I'm really going to try.

[crobin4]

I wouldn't mind co-driving on of those Subies, if you guys come.:wink:
Mine is down for a while. It's um going to be umm reengineered.:))

[MasterBlaster]

Your going to parkersburg? Elkins was my first time so I'm a noob. What all do you have done to your STi? Maybe you will be in my class (ESP) b/c there is no one registered in that class yet. I'm not a 100% sure that I will be able to make it but I'm really going to try.


Yep I'll be there. STi's are BSP, which I'm going to be. I have the Cobb Stage 2 map, Cobb DP and Tanabe catback and PO installed strutbars. Everything else engine and suspension wise is stock, for now. Hope you can make it.

[04WRX]

I didn't know that Sti's were in a different class. I need to read up on the class thing. I hope I can make b/c I want to check out your car!

[MasterBlaster]

Hope so. It's really not anymore special than any other STi out there, might be cleaner cause I'm a freak about that lol. Just don't look at the wheels. I'll be rolling the stockers and the previous owner didn't take care of them.

Oh and sorry to everyone else, didn't mean to threadjack. Guess the discussion took a turn for the better though.

[SentraWV]

I didn't know that Sti's were in a different class. I need to read up on the class thing.

Check the "Classing 101" thread in the Classing Q&A forum. It has the link to the rulebook from the SCCA which is a free download. If you (or anybody else) has specific questions, ask in that forum and we'll try to answer them.

NP: Zappa, Roxy and Elsewhere

[04WRX]

Check the "Classing 101" thread in the Classing Q&A forum. It has the link to the rulebook from the SCCA which is a free download. If you (or anybody else) has specific questions, ask in that forum and we'll try to answer them.

NP: Zappa, Roxy and Elsewhere

I already found it and did some reading. I got a general idea of how the classing works now but thanks.

[gtfour77]

Looking forward to seeing you guys out there, Sti's are some of the most fun cars out there...especially for autocross. And what Jason said earlier, slower...ahem, unprepared cars (slow and Sti does NOT go together!) are more challenging and give you a lot more insight into what kind of driver you are. Sometime it's easy to go fast in a fast prepared car but if you can make a slow car go fast hats off to you.

[HiHoSilver]

wanted to thank Mr. Chaney and the whole airport crew for being great host. Thanks to the Pilots Club for cooking up some great food.

[Judd]

wanted to thank Mr. Chaney and the whole airport crew for being great host. Thanks to the Pilots Club for cooking up some great food.

Hear Hear!!!

[sts 50]

Judd, you get a free pass in Pkbg (he,he)- my car is headed to Pat Smith's place tomorrow with a (likely) fragged water pump. I'll be in JD's car - thanks Bro!

[Judd]

No BS, I'm sorry to hear that. Woods and I replaced mine last winter along with all the belts. I don't know your belt status is but, all that stuff has to come off to get to the water pump so if the belts have more than 20k on them, I'd replace 'em.

[TimMaddox]

Hmmmm...didn't Chris Mann co-drive with you? And now he's getting in my car? Bad omen.

[sts 50]

Judd, all of the belts and rollers were replaced when the pump was put on only 12,XXX miles ago. I've since learned that rebuilt pumps, like mine, are prone to failure. Unfortunately, new pumps are $$. The joys of "antique" cars...